Pro tools vs logic x9/24/2023 I used my friend’s 10 core imac pro just 2 days ago… and he uses 4 apollo’s at 32 samples… And on the imac pro it is possible in Cubase. Now, I know many people who CAN set Cubase at 32 samples, maximum 64… but they are using computers more than double the power of mine. Since i can set the buffer in logic at 32 and never change it, the virus is always at 64… which is still very playable. The virus is basically always double what the chosen buffer is… So since in Cubase I have to work at 128 buffer, it means the virus is at 256… 256 is just too high… The only work around for this, is to use the analog output for the virus to bypass the USB for monitoring, but i have no audio inputs left! None! However, how responsive it is to play, is dependant on the DAW chosen buffer size. PS about the Virus TI… I use it through USB as a plugin, but the processing is all done in the virus itself, so it doesn’t use any CPU. In Logic, i set it at 32 and have a roundtrip of 4ms. IF I bypass the UAD mixer and go native, the roundtrip latency at 128 is 8 milliseconds… this is much too high to use a native guitar amp or for a real live drummer. At 128 Cubase beats S1, Logic, Reaper… The only one that matches it is Pro tools.īut the issue is, Cubase simply can’t do it at UNDER 128 buffer… for many people this is ok… for me… well… let me give you an example. I have done extensive tests over and over again to verify this, using multiple VSTi’s. Now, just to clarify… once the project starts getting really busy and full, Cubase at 128 samples actually does give better performance than every other DAW i listed, in terms of effect count and VSTi polyphony. But i have muted this guy as i was getting very angry… Even when you the moderator told him to stop he kept going, and i am not going to get into any fights, so i made it simple… i have put him on ignore list permanently and will never ever read any of his posts… ever… so don’t worry, there will be no fighting from me. How this is bashing in any way shape or form, i have no idea. I have no idea why this guy has an issue with me…Īll i am saying is, since Logic/s1/reaper can do it at 32 and 64 samples, the fact cubase can not, means it’s up to Steinberg to fix low latency performance. The way I get around it now, is use the apollo for all my monitoring, using UAD dsp effects, and setting Cubase at 128 to play for when I use VSTi’s…įor me, playing piano and drums, 128 is too high… Especially when i use analog hardware synths which are basically instant. If this guy thinks I am a liar, I am happy to take video to show the difference, the way Logic spreads the load and how there are zero dropouts at 32 samples at ALL… even when i use my midi keyboard to play realtime very hungry synths like Diva… (cubase needs 128 for Diva). But even as such, on the exact same computers using the exact same interfaces, the other DAWs i mentioned CAN do what Cubase can not. This is all I am saying…Įven though my macs are not the latest, my macbook pro is not far behind the current very top of the line one… but i admit, my imac is basically a 2600K inside, old processor. With logic, Reaper, S1… I can monitor all 32 audio inputs, in realtime, at 32 samples, and each with a reverb plugin on them! I mean the difference is huge. If i wanted to bypass the apollo mixer and use native plugins instead, i.e, use Cubase monitoring 32 channels of audio going into it in realtime, through native FX, Cubase is very problematic at 32 samples.Same with pro tools. With Cubase, sometimes 64 works.īut it’s not just VI’s… I record 32 audio tracks at a time right, i have 2 apollo 8’s with adat filled on both, so 32 inputs each all recording hardware midi… Pro tools HAS to be at 128…īUT… Logic, Reaper, and Studio 1, can all play the exact same VI’s with exact same settings, at 32 samples. On both the macs in my signature, not state of the art macs by any means, whether using internal audio or UAD apollo (i have also tried my MOTU ultralite on the imac as that has FW800 port), Cubase when set to 32 or 64 samples can not play Vi’s… Pro tools can NOT do it at 32 samples either, ok. Ok… I will try to explain it more simply… I have no idea why he is doing this, but thanks for interjecting. There’s no reason to assume that he’s posting this in bad faith. Posting your opinion is fine, but the way you’re expressing it is only going to start a fight.
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